The fifth hearing of testimony began with delays. Defense attorney Victor Rei, Alejandro Macedo Rumi, be noted again come an hour forty five minutes late to the room. "I had problems with mobile," the lawyer apologized to the court, referring to his car. The judge, Maria del Carmen Roqueta, severely called attention to be present at the scheduled time, remember that last week had threatened to go to hearings armed.
Ana Maria Careaga
"Paty was quite happy to be pregnant"
The first witness of the day was Ana Maria Careaga, who was pregnant to Liliana Fontana, Paty, in the "Athletic" and confirmed that Pedro Sandoval, Eric, was also detained there.
"I was kidnapped on June 13, 1977 in John B. Fair and Federal Capital Flows. I was walking, going to a business, was very fast, two people grabbed me and put me in the back of a car and blindfolded me. Then I was taken to the clandestine center Athletic Club. When I entered the place, I took everything and I undressed. I took my name, I had to call for a code, K04, began to torture me with buckets of cold water. "
"Then I took the 'surgery', I was tortured with electric batons, they used plastic to cover my face, I was tortured with electric shocks in various parts of the body, while other people came, I just wanted to die, so I many hours until I had seizures. " Atletico repressors said things like "you're in a place where nobody knows", or "we have time in the world and we will keep you alive." The lull came when they brought some cotton soaked in ether and asleep.
By then, Anne was only 16 and was three months pregnant. Not said because he wanted to protect the baby. In fact, when taken to the infirmary of the CCD, she said she was pregnant and they took her right there to put the "theater." Then a repressor said, "Why do not you tell me, bitch," you want to open your legs and make you abort?! ". Ana Maria thought he was not going to have her baby, also hunger was "desperate."
Some days later, when she was locked in a "tube"-a very small cell, "Ana Maria first felt the baby move. "She was not alone, for me it was a privilege to be pregnant under those circumstances, I spoke with my daughter mentally, I could talk to someone, the detainees would not let us talk and we were loculated, blindfolded."
"I had put 'louse' because it was closer look smaller. Until then I thought it was the only pregnant, but one day I heard one of the guards shouted 'give more food and Paty louse. " I knew there was not the only one. There was also a chef who made it down and when we saw the line at pregnant said 'I will bring vitamins for these girls. " From that, sometimes, I began to give milk and eggs. "
According to Ana Maria, Paty was destabicada and was used as slave labor in concentration camps. Doing cleanup work, handing out food and posing to the bathroom the rest of the detainees. More than once he could see beneath his blindfold. On one occasion, Paty ordered to take out a louse to walk down the hall and as they walked arm repressors sarcastically told them: "Are they looking glass to buy clothes for their babies?". That day, she saw Anne Paty, blonde, blue eyes and a belly "of five months." "I was quite happy to be pregnant. "
Ana Maria remembered that Liliana and Peter came to interrogate people outside of the CCD. "I did not know who they like," he said. On September 30, 1977, Ana Maria was released. "They took me to a room with several people. They told me not to look but I looked under the band ... The image I have is that of a Nazi concentration camp, people in rags, peeled, battered, bony. "
Now freed, Ana Maria was with her mother, Esther Ballestrino of Careaga, a founder of Mothers of Plaza de Mayo, to be seen by the doctor and find that their pregnancy was fine. Later, Esther went to the Plaza de Mayo and returned with a long list of names and nicknames. "And began to rebuild," said Ana Maria, who soon went into exile in Sweden, where the Dec. 12 birth of her daughter. Esther did not know his granddaughter. Three days before she was kidnapped along with another mother and French nuns in Santa Cruz Church.
In a democracy, Ana Maria recognized in a weekly Liliana and Peter and confirm that they were Paty and Erico.
Delia Barrera: "Eric was always singing a samba"
Then was the turn of Delia Barrera and Ferrando, another former Atletico detained, abducted on 5 August 1977. Her husband, Hugo Alberto Scutari (who is still missing), had been arrested hours earlier in Caballito. Delia
renamed it "H26." "I was led to 'den', come looking for me and I start hitting, then goes into 'Kung Fu' (N. 's Note: Juan Carlos Falcón, torture and abduction of the PFA), believes that it is not strong enough and I start hitting him. Then I was subjected to electric shocks, face, mouth, genitals, to give names, as I listened to my husband being tortured next door and made him shout 'Heil Hitler'. "
Delia said that Hugo, who called repressors "H23", while passing through the hallway, she was coughing. "Then I coughed and so we knew we were together." So they parted when he was transferred to him.
"A Paty met her because she could be destabicada. Also heard when he was ordered to take a walk Paty louse (Ana Maria Careaga). Then, Eric always heard singing a samba Tucumán. Paty I could only say goodbye when I was released, she wished me luck, gave me a kiss and I could feel his belly was seven months. " On the issue of pregnant women, Delia was once recalled Atletico Guillermo "Pajarito" Suarez Mason and a guard asked him what he did with a female detainee pregnant. "Take her to the (maternity) Sarda," he said Suarez Mason. Delia
repressors recalled other incidents of CCD: Doctor K, Little Life, Colors, the Black Shoe Rapist, the Turco Julián ... The latter, in fact, tortured with waterboarding, long time burying his head in water, and had standing overnight in the bathroom, not allowing a finger. For its part, the Black Shoe Rapist, who still has not been identified, "was commissioned to inform Delia would be released. "I sat in a chair, asked me the name of my first husband, then came Kung Fu and Black Shoe told me they would give me freedom. At night I took the bathroom sector, gave me a dress, I destabicaron, took off the chains of the feet, then came Black Shoe, I told you to take the arm and led me to the home of my mother. "
D'Agostino: "She was identified with your name, Liliana Fontana Clelia"
The last witness to testify before a recess, it was Michael D'Agostino, who was arrested 91 days at the Athletic Club. I was 18 and he was in the sixth year in a technical school depended on the state energy company Segba. He was the president of his division and had been in charge of the student center.
"As soon as I arrived I went down to a basement, 'you're not Michael D'Agostino said Turco Julián me and beat me to kick clear, with strings ... He taught me that since then I call' K35 '. Then I took the 'OR', where was the prod, I questioned Dr. K, Colors, The German, though well into tomorrow. " Leaving
torture, always blindfolded, D'Agostino gave him some clothes, I put the shackles on his feet and led him to 'den'. "That threw me to the floor, closed the door and felt the breath of others. After a while I realized there was a woman, very distraught, crying, tried to calm her down a little, but she would not stop mourn because at that time were torturing her partner. The next day, the guards asked to identify ourselves and she did it with your name, Clelia Liliana Fontana. Beat her until she was identified as K34. His companion, who had returned from the torments, was identified as K33. "
A couple of days later, D'Agostino assigned a "tube." On July 18, approximately, introduced in the cell to another boy, John Mark Herman. "He had been brought from Bariloche in a private plane. For a month we share the cell with him. Every so often, these criminals were supervision, went knocking on doors and had to say our letters and numbers and some people were saying their nicknames and titles of militancy. "
D'Agostino explained that Pedro Sandoval, Eric, like Liliana, was responsible for the clean and lead the prisoners to the bathroom. He recalled that in September 77 took all the raparlos showers. Eric cut his hair to D'Agostino. Had minimal dialogue, because you could not talk, and Eric, destabicado, D'Agostino told that their injuries were torture healing.
D'Agostino said that when he declared for the CONADEP is likely to be dissociated Clelia Liliana Fontana and Pedro Sandoval "Paty" and "Eric." However, soon after, in June 1984, when he found a story of Liliana's mother, Clelia "Chela" Deharbe Fontana, in a magazine, he "fell" tabs "I saw the pictures and I realized that was not Paty Clelia Liliana Fontana another, the woman who was distraught crying, I was the only name, Clelia, it was the first time in my life that I heard. " D'Agostino was released from Atletico on 1 October 77. He was left with other detainees, after midnight, in front of Borda Hospital, in the neighborhood of Constitución.
In his statement, D'Agostino said that when leaving the CCD, Paty was seven months pregnant. He added that in the period when he was kidnapped at Atletico, both the place were pregnant louse and Paty and the first, Ana Maria Careaga, came after the release process and only then could see their faces. He also recalled that Delia Barrera and Ferrando, the survivor who preceded him in his statement, he spent his birthday in the CCD and that he played the happy birthday by tapping on the wall, as she was in the "tube" his neighbor. Testimony of Carey
, Barrera and D'Agostino were followed with attention and emotion by a full house. Alejandro Sandoval Fontana, located in the public sector for the complaint and the prosecution, was one of those present. Cerquita just be able to see Maria Eugenia Sampallo Barragan, the first grandchild recovered which was presented as a plaintiff in a lawsuit against her and against whom appropriators gave the retired captain Enrique José Berthier.
Tejerina: "He introduced himself as the gendarmerie commander Victor Rei"
Between October 1978 and January next year, Jorge Tejeda was arrested in Military Prison Camp in May. Businessman, 74, recalled his abduction Tejerina with ten other financiers of the Bank of Hurlingham, once owned by the group Ghraib, allegedly connected to Montoneros. He noted that he was questioned in writing, just 15 days after the arrest, and asked, for example, "Why was a gonna do?", To which Tejeda responded in writing as well, "because I always liked horses. "
The witness was able to recognize a photo Rei roughly contemporaneous to his kidnapping, describing it quite accurately: "Tall, robust, Secot." Case which elaborated on Tejerina, ie Rei participation in an illegal operation, will be expanded on Monday with the testimony of Marc Chavanne, another member of the Bank of Hurlingham, kidnapped while Tejerina. When Tejerina recooció Rei on one photograph, the accused microphone outside the witness said he: "You never saw me not!". The lawyer for the lawsuit, Luciano Hazan, asked Judge Maria del Carmen Roqueta such exclamation out of place on the record.
In hindsight it was the turn of Olga Gamba, near Rei family since 1976 in the suburb of Hurlingham. Gamba recounted how he first saw the wife of Rei with Alexander. "The found on the street, I was happy, she had a thyroid problem, which at that time was not so common, it had been pregnant and saw the bakery with a baby, 'I adopted it,' he said, and I was fine and even congratulated. "
The last witness of the day was Colonel (R) Pantaleon Horacio Ballester, president of the Center for Democracy Military Argentina (CEMIDA), who explained a little coordination between Army and Gendarmerie in times of dictatorship. "Since its inception until 1983, depended on the military Gendarmerie, had a relationship with the absolute subordination Army. " Ballester
remarked major strategic assumptions of the dictatorship, such as the "enemy within" and said all intelligence agencies, including the Gendarmerie, operating under that assumption, removing substance declared by Rei, who in his testimony endeavored to show that virtually no mission had been involved but on the possibility of conflict with other countries (Chile, Brazil, Paraguay). Ballester also provided an expert eye in the room to discuss the personnel file of Rei. "The 'commission' can not be considered as external conflict hypothesis" concluded.
Ana Maria Careaga
"Paty was quite happy to be pregnant"
The first witness of the day was Ana Maria Careaga, who was pregnant to Liliana Fontana, Paty, in the "Athletic" and confirmed that Pedro Sandoval, Eric, was also detained there.
"I was kidnapped on June 13, 1977 in John B. Fair and Federal Capital Flows. I was walking, going to a business, was very fast, two people grabbed me and put me in the back of a car and blindfolded me. Then I was taken to the clandestine center Athletic Club. When I entered the place, I took everything and I undressed. I took my name, I had to call for a code, K04, began to torture me with buckets of cold water. "
"Then I took the 'surgery', I was tortured with electric batons, they used plastic to cover my face, I was tortured with electric shocks in various parts of the body, while other people came, I just wanted to die, so I many hours until I had seizures. " Atletico repressors said things like "you're in a place where nobody knows", or "we have time in the world and we will keep you alive." The lull came when they brought some cotton soaked in ether and asleep.
By then, Anne was only 16 and was three months pregnant. Not said because he wanted to protect the baby. In fact, when taken to the infirmary of the CCD, she said she was pregnant and they took her right there to put the "theater." Then a repressor said, "Why do not you tell me, bitch," you want to open your legs and make you abort?! ". Ana Maria thought he was not going to have her baby, also hunger was "desperate."
Some days later, when she was locked in a "tube"-a very small cell, "Ana Maria first felt the baby move. "She was not alone, for me it was a privilege to be pregnant under those circumstances, I spoke with my daughter mentally, I could talk to someone, the detainees would not let us talk and we were loculated, blindfolded."
"I had put 'louse' because it was closer look smaller. Until then I thought it was the only pregnant, but one day I heard one of the guards shouted 'give more food and Paty louse. " I knew there was not the only one. There was also a chef who made it down and when we saw the line at pregnant said 'I will bring vitamins for these girls. " From that, sometimes, I began to give milk and eggs. "
According to Ana Maria, Paty was destabicada and was used as slave labor in concentration camps. Doing cleanup work, handing out food and posing to the bathroom the rest of the detainees. More than once he could see beneath his blindfold. On one occasion, Paty ordered to take out a louse to walk down the hall and as they walked arm repressors sarcastically told them: "Are they looking glass to buy clothes for their babies?". That day, she saw Anne Paty, blonde, blue eyes and a belly "of five months." "I was quite happy to be pregnant. "
Ana Maria remembered that Liliana and Peter came to interrogate people outside of the CCD. "I did not know who they like," he said. On September 30, 1977, Ana Maria was released. "They took me to a room with several people. They told me not to look but I looked under the band ... The image I have is that of a Nazi concentration camp, people in rags, peeled, battered, bony. "
Now freed, Ana Maria was with her mother, Esther Ballestrino of Careaga, a founder of Mothers of Plaza de Mayo, to be seen by the doctor and find that their pregnancy was fine. Later, Esther went to the Plaza de Mayo and returned with a long list of names and nicknames. "And began to rebuild," said Ana Maria, who soon went into exile in Sweden, where the Dec. 12 birth of her daughter. Esther did not know his granddaughter. Three days before she was kidnapped along with another mother and French nuns in Santa Cruz Church.
In a democracy, Ana Maria recognized in a weekly Liliana and Peter and confirm that they were Paty and Erico.
Delia Barrera: "Eric was always singing a samba"
Then was the turn of Delia Barrera and Ferrando, another former Atletico detained, abducted on 5 August 1977. Her husband, Hugo Alberto Scutari (who is still missing), had been arrested hours earlier in Caballito. Delia
renamed it "H26." "I was led to 'den', come looking for me and I start hitting, then goes into 'Kung Fu' (N. 's Note: Juan Carlos Falcón, torture and abduction of the PFA), believes that it is not strong enough and I start hitting him. Then I was subjected to electric shocks, face, mouth, genitals, to give names, as I listened to my husband being tortured next door and made him shout 'Heil Hitler'. "
Delia said that Hugo, who called repressors "H23", while passing through the hallway, she was coughing. "Then I coughed and so we knew we were together." So they parted when he was transferred to him.
"A Paty met her because she could be destabicada. Also heard when he was ordered to take a walk Paty louse (Ana Maria Careaga). Then, Eric always heard singing a samba Tucumán. Paty I could only say goodbye when I was released, she wished me luck, gave me a kiss and I could feel his belly was seven months. " On the issue of pregnant women, Delia was once recalled Atletico Guillermo "Pajarito" Suarez Mason and a guard asked him what he did with a female detainee pregnant. "Take her to the (maternity) Sarda," he said Suarez Mason. Delia
repressors recalled other incidents of CCD: Doctor K, Little Life, Colors, the Black Shoe Rapist, the Turco Julián ... The latter, in fact, tortured with waterboarding, long time burying his head in water, and had standing overnight in the bathroom, not allowing a finger. For its part, the Black Shoe Rapist, who still has not been identified, "was commissioned to inform Delia would be released. "I sat in a chair, asked me the name of my first husband, then came Kung Fu and Black Shoe told me they would give me freedom. At night I took the bathroom sector, gave me a dress, I destabicaron, took off the chains of the feet, then came Black Shoe, I told you to take the arm and led me to the home of my mother. "
D'Agostino: "She was identified with your name, Liliana Fontana Clelia"
The last witness to testify before a recess, it was Michael D'Agostino, who was arrested 91 days at the Athletic Club. I was 18 and he was in the sixth year in a technical school depended on the state energy company Segba. He was the president of his division and had been in charge of the student center.
"As soon as I arrived I went down to a basement, 'you're not Michael D'Agostino said Turco Julián me and beat me to kick clear, with strings ... He taught me that since then I call' K35 '. Then I took the 'OR', where was the prod, I questioned Dr. K, Colors, The German, though well into tomorrow. " Leaving
torture, always blindfolded, D'Agostino gave him some clothes, I put the shackles on his feet and led him to 'den'. "That threw me to the floor, closed the door and felt the breath of others. After a while I realized there was a woman, very distraught, crying, tried to calm her down a little, but she would not stop mourn because at that time were torturing her partner. The next day, the guards asked to identify ourselves and she did it with your name, Clelia Liliana Fontana. Beat her until she was identified as K34. His companion, who had returned from the torments, was identified as K33. "
A couple of days later, D'Agostino assigned a "tube." On July 18, approximately, introduced in the cell to another boy, John Mark Herman. "He had been brought from Bariloche in a private plane. For a month we share the cell with him. Every so often, these criminals were supervision, went knocking on doors and had to say our letters and numbers and some people were saying their nicknames and titles of militancy. "
D'Agostino explained that Pedro Sandoval, Eric, like Liliana, was responsible for the clean and lead the prisoners to the bathroom. He recalled that in September 77 took all the raparlos showers. Eric cut his hair to D'Agostino. Had minimal dialogue, because you could not talk, and Eric, destabicado, D'Agostino told that their injuries were torture healing.
D'Agostino said that when he declared for the CONADEP is likely to be dissociated Clelia Liliana Fontana and Pedro Sandoval "Paty" and "Eric." However, soon after, in June 1984, when he found a story of Liliana's mother, Clelia "Chela" Deharbe Fontana, in a magazine, he "fell" tabs "I saw the pictures and I realized that was not Paty Clelia Liliana Fontana another, the woman who was distraught crying, I was the only name, Clelia, it was the first time in my life that I heard. " D'Agostino was released from Atletico on 1 October 77. He was left with other detainees, after midnight, in front of Borda Hospital, in the neighborhood of Constitución.
In his statement, D'Agostino said that when leaving the CCD, Paty was seven months pregnant. He added that in the period when he was kidnapped at Atletico, both the place were pregnant louse and Paty and the first, Ana Maria Careaga, came after the release process and only then could see their faces. He also recalled that Delia Barrera and Ferrando, the survivor who preceded him in his statement, he spent his birthday in the CCD and that he played the happy birthday by tapping on the wall, as she was in the "tube" his neighbor. Testimony of Carey
, Barrera and D'Agostino were followed with attention and emotion by a full house. Alejandro Sandoval Fontana, located in the public sector for the complaint and the prosecution, was one of those present. Cerquita just be able to see Maria Eugenia Sampallo Barragan, the first grandchild recovered which was presented as a plaintiff in a lawsuit against her and against whom appropriators gave the retired captain Enrique José Berthier.
Tejerina: "He introduced himself as the gendarmerie commander Victor Rei"
Between October 1978 and January next year, Jorge Tejeda was arrested in Military Prison Camp in May. Businessman, 74, recalled his abduction Tejerina with ten other financiers of the Bank of Hurlingham, once owned by the group Ghraib, allegedly connected to Montoneros. He noted that he was questioned in writing, just 15 days after the arrest, and asked, for example, "Why was a gonna do?", To which Tejeda responded in writing as well, "because I always liked horses. "
The witness was able to recognize a photo Rei roughly contemporaneous to his kidnapping, describing it quite accurately: "Tall, robust, Secot." Case which elaborated on Tejerina, ie Rei participation in an illegal operation, will be expanded on Monday with the testimony of Marc Chavanne, another member of the Bank of Hurlingham, kidnapped while Tejerina. When Tejerina recooció Rei on one photograph, the accused microphone outside the witness said he: "You never saw me not!". The lawyer for the lawsuit, Luciano Hazan, asked Judge Maria del Carmen Roqueta such exclamation out of place on the record.
In hindsight it was the turn of Olga Gamba, near Rei family since 1976 in the suburb of Hurlingham. Gamba recounted how he first saw the wife of Rei with Alexander. "The found on the street, I was happy, she had a thyroid problem, which at that time was not so common, it had been pregnant and saw the bakery with a baby, 'I adopted it,' he said, and I was fine and even congratulated. "
The last witness of the day was Colonel (R) Pantaleon Horacio Ballester, president of the Center for Democracy Military Argentina (CEMIDA), who explained a little coordination between Army and Gendarmerie in times of dictatorship. "Since its inception until 1983, depended on the military Gendarmerie, had a relationship with the absolute subordination Army. " Ballester
remarked major strategic assumptions of the dictatorship, such as the "enemy within" and said all intelligence agencies, including the Gendarmerie, operating under that assumption, removing substance declared by Rei, who in his testimony endeavored to show that virtually no mission had been involved but on the possibility of conflict with other countries (Chile, Brazil, Paraguay). Ballester also provided an expert eye in the room to discuss the personnel file of Rei. "The 'commission' can not be considered as external conflict hypothesis" concluded.
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